under bill clinton we raised taxes on rich people. saw the biggest economic boom in american history. under george bush we lowered taxes on rich people go into economic ruin. >> this is problem with people with no connection. >> i'm going to i'm going to finish i'm going to finish. so there is not, based on our own experience a direct connection between raising rates and on wealthy people and economy going, going down. in fact the opposite happened. and so you can keep saying it doesn't make it true. rick: go ahead, pete. >> simon you have no experience in the private sector. never run a is business. that is problem when you have policy wonks. >> i run a business, 16 years. nice try, pete. >> solution for america. small businesses are answer here. president has a great opportunity to lead. >> i've been running a small business for 16 years. pete. rick: not everything was decided last tuesday. not everything was settled. we'll continue the conversation. simon and pete, we'll have you back again soon. >> thank you. >> sure. jenna: put y